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Hybrid SharePoint Study

Editor’s note: Jay Leask  is a proper consultant for AvePoint Public Sector. He’s very mixed up in tech community and hosts their own podcast together with AvePoint proper consultant Craig Jahnke. 

Within this episode we cover:

  • A little about us
  • News (beginning at 4:35)
  • Interview with Asif Rehmani (beginning at 16:23)
  • Coming Next Episode – Microsoft Inspire Recap (beginning at 51:29)

Connect to audio:


  • Office 365 turns 6 [ @mkashman ]
  • Microsoft releases Communications Sites [ Office Blogs ]
  • iPhone turns 10 [ ZDNet ]
  • Google Docs Phishing Scams [ CNET ]
  • 2.5 million people become a victim of Ransomware  [ Tech Republic ]
  • Artificial Intelligence (AI) to combat adware and spyware in Home windows vNext [ Engadget ]
  • InnSpire builds a pc into Ethernet Cables [ ZDNET ]
    Editors note: Jay known as it InnCable within the show, that is really the merchandise name

Interview with Asif Rehmani

The below questions paraphrase Jay and Craig’s side from the conversation with Asif. The solutions are their own words.

Do you know us a little in regards to you and just how you have into SharePoint?

Asif: I acquired tossed into SharePoint, I did not prefer to get here but many of people have a similar story, where they’re like “Oh here’s a factor known as SharePoint, decipher it, do that document management or search or something like that for all of us, for the company” after which “oh yeah, you’ve other 10 things as well”. It was a typical theme after i was beginning out and inside the first five years, so in 2002 happens when I began out, and lots of everyone was getting throw into this factor known as SharePoint. I acquired tossed in it with a company I had been talking to for at that time, who wanted to get involved with Document Management coupled with not one other method of doing the work and Microsoft was proposing they will use SharePoint. It had been a terrible product, in SharePoint 2001, if anybody remembers, however it grew to become much better in SharePoint 2003 and after that it stored on improving and … [2007] was the ultimately the entire year it grew to become what it’s at this time. Because SharePoint 2003 seemed to be fairly bad, basically may let them know candidly, and 2001 was horrible. That’s the way i experienced it.

You say you joined SharePoint begrudgingly, are you currently pleased with the direction you’ve come?

There’s, obviously, grounds I’m still going quite strong with SharePoint. Simply because it started having a really rocky start, that does not mean it ended this way, obviously. Along with a lengthy the lines of SharePoint 2007 on forward it is an very strong product. So strong that I’ve really searched to there competitor products, I shouldn’t name any sort of ones, but everyone are all aware which of them I’m talking about, and honestly nothing compares to supplying the set of features and integration that SharePoint offers. That’s the main reason I’ve stuck around and I’m still going quite strong into SharePoint and Office 365 space. Absolutely, it features a great future in front of it.

What inspired you to definitely write the AvePoint blog publish “SharePoint 2016 Productivity Features: Easy Methods for getting More Value for your money“?

My background in SharePoint since i have started as well as until at this time is how you can allow people to obtain the most impact for what they desire to complete. I do not take a look at SharePoint like a product, I consider it as a platform that you could build anything you want on. My inspiration has always originate from people and challenges which i see available within the companies. You realize, people battling to possess a simple to use form solution, or perhaps a automation solution, or perhaps a presentation, or reporting, or dashboard such things as that. And often I tell people “SharePoint isn’t the right answer for you”. Most occasions that isn’t the situation, SharePoint may be the right answer, but may it isn’t.

My reasoning with this particular article … is people need to comprehend the abilities that SharePoint 2016 has. When it comes to how easy it’s to create, for instance, forms, and automate individuals forms, and also have an finish to finish solution set that you could gather information, automate that information right people for approval, set of that information. Everything stuff using Power Apps, Flow, as well as on the rear finish you should use Reporting Services or perhaps a general SharePoint dashboarding tools to set of data. Everything stuff is extremely simple to [use] if people know very well what they may and may not do. The factor which i prefer relating to this platform is there are plenty of stuff that I simply spoken relating to this platform, and much more, that do not require any programming experience to create happen. No code methods for benefiting from really, really awesome solutions available rapidly, easily, quickly. We reside in a period where situations are moving so rapidly that should you not do things rapidly and also you wait for developer team to obtain things done, sometimes they’ll never have completed, other occasions it’ll have completed way beyond if this was really needed.

We reside in a period where situations are moving so rapidly that should you not do things rapidly and also you wait for developer team to obtain things done, sometimes they’ll never have completed.

What set of skills should i hire without-code solutions?

You aren’t [searching for any .Internet developer any longer]. Getting stated that, lots of people who call themselves SharePoint Developers begin with the .Internet or even the development aspect first, which for me, is really a mistake. The set of skills that executives, and I’m also a professionalOrChief executive officer of VisualSP, the factor which i search for when I’m searching for adding individuals to we could be anyone who has an awareness from the business challenges and so the abilities from the platform. Honestly, I consider the SharePoint Developers nearly as something I Do Not want on my small team. That’s something will be able to delegate fairly easily nowadays, what I truly require is someone who can comprehend the business challenges and also the value propositions of what you can do using the product with or without the assistance of 3rd party products.

There is a term I love to use, I understand it isn’t a proper term, however it describes many people perfectly, may be the SharePoint Woman, or even the SharePoint Guy. The one who is in the center of the event team and also the executives. The one who understands each side of products however is not truly a professional neither is he a classic developer. Now when somebody is out and it is searching for any SharePoint person, they’re most likely not likely to put SharePoint Guy or SharePoint Woman because the title – though it ought to be [the LinkedIn title], there isn’t any better title than this. However a SharePoint Architect or perhaps a SharePoint Program Manager, an Intranet Manager individuals things are the type that real SharePoint Men and women use to explain themselves. And So I would say search for individuals titles. Certainly, a minimum of within my situation, I am not searching for SharePoint developers whatsoever because they’re likely to be searching at doing everything programmatically, and it is not what I’m searching for.

Sometimes I love to draw this stuff out, so allow me to find out if I’m able to draw a mental picture. My children, I recall once they were becoming an adult, they’d some pretty big Legos. Individuals big Legos, they might use 3 or 4 of these to create a structure, plus they were really pleased with the things they could build with individuals 3 or 4 Legos. Because they got older, they’d more smaller sized and smaller sized bits of Legos plus they began making lots of enormous structure,s but countless pieces. Personally i think this factor happens with developers a great deal. They begin out doing things the easiest way, and they go much deeper and much deeper and much deeper, and also the Legos get smaller sized and smaller sized and today they ave a wide variety of things they’re using to create these structures. There’s no problem with this particular, however they your investment big pieces exist, and individuals big Legos would be the no-code structures that I’m speaking about.

For instance, obtaining Power Apps, or obtaining SharePoint Designer, or obtaining Flow and making unexpected things happen rapidly! When i state rapidly I am talking about within 10 mins! Something which I did previously use hrs or days of occasions. That’s possible nowadays. It’s usually good to be aware what I’m able to do rapidly without going hard way. There isn’t any reason sometimes to do it hard way.

When i state rapidly I am talking about within 10 mins! Something which I did previously use hrs or days of occasions

I’ve had lots of people arrived at my classes before and say “man, If only I understood that which you trained me these last four days. I’d haven’t spent the 4 several weeks which i did causeing this to be, for instance, workflow on your own. I possibly could did it with only Flow, or SharePoint Designer effortlessly. So it’s best to know what’s possible, not to imply that programming and developing matters not, it very truly is, however for many different types of products you are able to do without it, specifically for quick prototyping, quick rapid development, until you’re in the point you have to create a true enterprise solution with extreme detail and this is where you want to programming. Not from the beginning.

You’re speaking about Rapid Prototyping – this can be a different kind of model in the typical development attitude where you’ve got a lengthy procedure for developing business cases, needs gathering, developing software, etc …

Rapid prototyping happens when we utilize these tools to complete, yes, however, many occasions the particular prototype becomes the development ready solution still utilizing the same no-code solutions. But, it is a fact that lots of occasions you’re able to a place several weeks later, and maybe even years later, in which you realize “now I have to proceed to the programming aspect,” but it’s also correct that for a lot of solutions you won’t ever reach that time you’re OK going no-code way forever. That I have seen many occasions too.

How can you approach getting individuals to begin using these new tools once the pace of recent tools is frequently quicker than it requires individuals to discover the original copies?

Well hopefully situations are not altering that rapidly that half-way lower learning one tool that one becomes defunct. I have seen the various tools we’ve had have a reasonably lengthy lifecycle. Obviously they are doing get replaced eventually by other tools, so let’s talk specifics.

SharePoint The perception of an automation workflow tool, Infopath includes a form tool. Now are both evolving to Power Apps for forms, and Flow for workflow, right? But at this time there’s still some great use cases to continue using InfoPath and employ SharePoint Designer. I’ve even advised individuals to use in some instances because neither of the two could accomplish everything they desired to accomplish, so they’re using both things together. In the finish during the day, I’ve arrived at the final outcome that you simply can’t pressure anybody to make use of anything. It comes down lower to asking “what’s inside it for me personally? Why must I worry about what you love, Asif?” And make that situation on their behalf: what’s YOUR discomfort point? What exactly are you attempting to accomplish? What will it assist you with your projects, your job progression, the way you make an effect in your organization? And that’s whenever you place a tool, as needed, into play.

It comes down lower to asking “what’s inside it for me personally? Why must I worry about what you love?”

[A good example]: What you’re saying, for instance, is that you’ve a process for on-boarding people. Presently individuals are just a slave to, from your HR perspective, also it takes a while, [your house eventually, to really get began using their new equipment. A few of these procedures you have at this time, would you automate a few of these things? If so here’s a great automation tool you, or someone in your team can use, maybe SharePoint Designer or Flow, to automate the various tools. Do you want that? Would that enable you to move from each day to a day? The solution obviously will probably be “Yes, absolutely! Show me how. Or show my team member how to get it done and we’ll get it done.” So it must range from advancement of what they desire or what their discomfort point is, to what they desire when it comes to tools. [it can’t be] hey read this shiny new tool, take a look at what it really can perform. That’s never the solution.

So how exactly does an executives leadership squeeze into getting individuals to use, but more to the point, Desire to use the various tools?

[ From blog “Effective SharePoint Adoption: 5 Ways Executives Might Help” ]

[Being an executive] the motivation will range from fact of “what’s inside it for [the worker/finish user]”. Anybody that I’ve come across try to get it done the other way round, as here’s things i want in my company or here’s this factor I would like, it’s never labored. Human behavior is definitely considering “what’s inside it for me”. It isn’t a selfish way, it is not what I’m saying, it’s much more about the self satisfaction that I’ll have for helping others, helping my opportunity, or helping my team. Still that’s something that’s inside it on their behalf.

So you (1) Motivate them to encourage them to that time where it’s there idea, not your idea. It needs to be their idea. Then you (2) Guide them, “alright, listed here are the various options you have”, then allow them to choose. Whatever helps make the most sense on their behalf. After you have that guidance done, you (3) Enable them with the proper tools within their hands to complete the job. Once that’s done you (4) Inspire them, clearly, later on to obtain them going. Maybe get it done together, or have them the best mentoring that’s want to get them inspired enough to get it done, and when they perform a good job, clearly, you (5) Reward them.

Therefore the reward some of it is extremely necessary too, that recognition. I am not saying money, or material such things as that. sometimes very good or appreciation goes a lengthy way. Which reward, many of us requirement for us to begin the cycle once again, because should you not have that reward in the finish you will not be motivated to test something totally new. So that’s, the bottom line is, that’s the way i see these five steps.

How important would you begin to see the top lower model for brand new tools?

Personally, i am a professional too within our company. VisualSP isn’t that big, about 12 people, but simultaneously Personally i think when the support isn’t there from my level or even the executive team level, that other people who really perform the work will not be as motivated. The very best executives need to be really bought in to the direction that the organization must require others to concentrate and really get the job done. When the buy-in in the executive level isn’t there nothing will happen, or it’s going to take place but it’s not really sustainable over time.

When the buy-in in the executive level isn’t there nothing will happen, or it’s going to take place but it’s not really sustainable over time.

I believe it’s very essential for the very best-lower support to become there right at the start. That people realise why it’s vital that you the manager, why it’s vital that you the organization. After which when the exactly why is accomplished, “what is my role”, “why must i care”, “how shall we be held making the impact”, “what’s inside it for me personally .. to assist others as well”, “and in the finish during the day, how do you get this to impact for the organization like a whole”. Each one of these things have to be considered in the top lower too it can’t be some individual or small department which goes rogue and helps to make the stuff happen [using flow, etc].

What exactly are your ideas on grass-roots efforts?

The grass-roots efforts, many occasions do begin [but] never take hold and die simply because they weren’t capable of getting the manager support. Actually, a great friend … went from the very recognizable company where she was making some amazing impact to a new company, and that’s the main reason she explained that they left. “Asif, Irrrve never got the manager support that people needed to help make the impact i was attempting to make for years” which is a very, really impactful ,gifted individual, who left the organization because she could never obtain the executive buy-set for her efforts and just what she was attempting to accomplish together with her team in SharePoint. So grass-roots attempts are great, but they need to establish that credibility which effect towards the upper management otherwise it’ll, eventually, fizzle out, regrettably.

What are the top discomfort points you’ve observed in the SharePoint platform?

How to utilize the woking platform [itself]. Should you recall the decision Microsoft made, I am not speaking about SharePoint as it were Microsoft made a decision in roughly 2007, to choose [work application] interfaces to visit from File menus to Tabs, and everyone complained in those days – “Oh this doesn’t seem sensible, we would like our menus back”. The primary reasoning with this wasn’t the possible lack of features the product had but the possible lack of usage the product was getting. They went this path to make things readily available to individuals plus much more contextual. “Here’s the thing you need because you’ve clicked in the table — give a row, give a column”. It had been simply not that simple to complete before that.

I check this out discomfort point still, regrettably, exists with SharePoint. When individuals find yourself in trouble it isn’t easy to allow them to discover the help they require, where they require it. This discomfort point is one thing that’s been a thorn on my small side for a while. Teaching people how you can do things is a factor, but making things at hand where and when they require it is an essential factor. That discomfort point, regrettably, still exists. Companies, including [VisualSP] but others too ,are acting towards that primary discomfort point all different facets to really make it simpler for that finish user.

After I create a presentation such as this and discuss this primary discomfort point I show a large jumbo jet and that i discuss this massive jumbo jet. I only say “Think of the as the SharePoint atmosphere. It’s beautiful, more than enough room in side, a lot of steps you can take by using it. Move from One place to another in luxurious style, however when you look within the jumbo jet, should you only visit a couple of people, or else you see nobody, what’s the purpose of this hole factor? this expense, this factor that you simply did?

You must have finish-user buy-in, finish-user simplicity to how they may use something that ought to be the first priority, not your last priority.

You must have finish-user buy-in, finish-user simplicity to how they may use something that ought to be the first priority, not your last priority. Without users everything that you simply do is useless. I Then also give a good example of the likes of Craig’s List. Take a look at their website, despite ten years of these finding yourself in existence, it isn’t fancy, however the usability and using a side like this – there’s a lot available, why? Simply because they get what they desire from this rapidly, easily, fast.

How can you make SharePoint and Office 365, for instance, to that particular point. Where situations are simple, not complex. They reach what they desire rapidly. You will find, for those who wish to dig further, you are making it to allow them to dig further to what they need, but exactly how did they reach what they desire to complete rapidly to have their task finished. Because in the finish during the day all this type of person finish-users and officer works they’re not SharePoint finish-users, they’re finish-users who work plus they just happen to achieve that job with SharePoint or with Office 365, so we always wish to remember that.

Do you know us about how exactly VisualSP solves this issue?

I’ve been a trainer for any very lengthy some time and I used to be teaching many different features, etc, however i had that realization about 6-many years ago: no matter just how much I educate them this stuff. In the finish during the day when the finish-users aren’t with such things then it’s all useless. We really pivoted our organization at that time to supply a context sensitive product that will help you communicate anything you have to communicate to individuals what, where they require it. It’s a bit harder to complete within an audible manner when compared with basically get it done visually, but imagine: presently if somebody comes with an issue or perhaps a question when they’re searching at a summary of managing resellers for an organization, and they’ve an issue about this metadata, where will i choose help? You typically most likely call somebody, or email somebody, and say “hey what’s this factor right here?”

How will you have them the assistance they require in their working atmosphere, where and when they require it. That’s the primary goal, primary vision, for VisualSP

There’s nothing that’s readily available directly within my work atmosphere, on my small screen, to obtain me the assistance I want at that time I want it. We attempted to resolve that challenge of how will you have them the assistance they require in their working atmosphere, where and when they require it. That’s the primary goal, primary vision, for VisualSP.

How can you convince potential customers that spending the cash on [training] add-ons for his or her solution?

Something which Microsoft themselves does at this time, is searching at using what they’ve released. Namely, Office 365. Once they begin to see the telemetry data of methods much or how little something gets used, this is where the put more backing behind [an item. We tell the shoppers plain and simple that “just as you have each one of these things doesn’t mean they’re getting used”. [You have to take a look at what’s not receiving used, number 1, and # 2, how about the support that you and your support team needs to provide at this time? How much cash are you currently having to pay for your?

The decrease in support costs is a huge driver for which motivates people.

The decrease in support costs is a huge driver for which motivates people.”Yes, I would like items to be simple for individuals I would like support tickets to visit lower. I would like the procedure to simply work” so when they view it on their own using the analytics that it is no longer working it’s that easy. Either [they] get someone to go from finish-user to finish-user to finish-user to state “Can I assist you to? Can One assist you to?” which help everyone personally, that is not going to happen or [they] get some type of a method or something they can acquire the help they require where they require it. Then track the support ticket reduction, which we’ve been in a position to prove that there is a 28%, usually, decrease in support tickets, whenever a company uses our product. In the finish during the day everything comes lower to cost. What’s your cost, today, for running your SharePoint atmosphere without for example ours. I am not saying ours may be the only, or even the appropiate product, but something similar to ours is required because it isn’t included in SharePoint.

For listeners who wish to build their own individual brand, are you able to discuss the way you could construct your brand?

My secret sauce is the fact that there’s not a secret sauce. Things I began doing within the begining, and that i do to some extent, is “how can one help others enter into my head”. For which I understand, how do i push it for their mind? I began carrying this out in various classes which i did, i then began doing the work in conference presentations, i then began doing the work in video lessons. I still do a number of them at this time, I simply do not have enough time to complete as numerous tutorials that I’d wish to accomplish. Which just caught on. Even if YouTube is at it’s infancy and that i began carrying this out and using it our website people, once they reach me in a conference, they are saying “I’ve viewed a few of the items that you’ve done through the years and that’s solved the problem obtain a promotion …” or obtain a job, or get in front of the curve, or simply assist me to generally. That’s my reward, which keeps me going, and do much more of things i can perform, and just what my opportunity can perform to assist individuals people.

The finish consequence of all of this is instantly the company and name recognition along with other stuff that included it however that was certainly never my intent, to choose brand recognition and my name to stay in the, you realize, high. But that’s the key sauce: how do i make an effect on others, which instantly becomes a rewards that can help keep you motivated much more.

Lightning Round

These one-word solutions were provided inside a quick back-and forth, minimal context lightening round to finish the job interview:

  1. Apple, Microsoft, or Amazon . com? 
  2. What’s your preferred dead technology? 
    The ipod device for Microsft — the Zune
  3. Your must-see Television show? 
    Plastic Valley
  4. What exactly are you presently studying? 
    Simplify (Ten Practices to Unclutter Your soul, by Bill Hybels)
  5. Whenever you listen to it, what song is it necessary to dance to? 
    I do not dance, personally, but … Eye from the Tiger, by Survivor
  6. Tyrannosaurus or Stegosaurus?

Asif Rehmani  @asifrehmani

On This summer 14th, we’re searching toward recording our next episode with Dux Raymond Sy, CMO and Public Sector CTO of AvePoint. In this episode we’ll recap Microsoft Inspire (This summer 9-13). AvePoint has numerous loudspeakers at Inspire speaking about things from Cloud Migration to IoT, Security like a Plan to CityNext, GDPR, AI, plus much more. Meanwhile, check out #MSInspire on twitter to follow together with it live!

Possess a night, and  a enjoyable tomorrow!